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Francis Turner's avatar

10x cheaper energy - presumably mostly nuclear sourced electricity - totally changes the incentives for using fossil fuels because now their extraction and transport is more expensive. I doubt this will happen but it would be good if it did.

I totally agree that the most likely ways to reduce CO2 are oceanic and that the CO2 reduction will be a byproduct not the initial goal. Fish protein seems like the most likely given the growing desire for protein of richer nations

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Peter Fiekowsky's avatar

Great thinking here, Quico. That said, I don't think the math works out in your scenarios. Being a physicist, engineer, and entrepreneur, I'm big on having the math work out before making plans.

10x cheaper energy is probably good for tourism and consumption but won't change the climate. The problem with direct air capture (DAC) isn't just the cost of energy, it's the ridiculously high capital cost compared to smart OIF and the slow rate of DAC build-out: after 10 years it's up to about 1 millionth of what's needed to measurably impact CO2 levels. If they scale up 2X every year, in 20 years they'll be able to make a measurable dent, at a cost of most of the global GDP. Yes, DAC is good for oil companies--they need the pure CO2 for oil extraction and refining--but that's not beneficial to the climate.

Sargassum is a great resource for hydrocarbons, nutrients and such. It just doesn't scale up to make a significant climate difference. At this point reports say there are 13 million tons of sargassum growing when we need to remove 60,000 million tons of CO2 per year. That's about 4,000 times too small to make a difference in the climate.

WHOI is doing really great work in ocean science to understand how to remove 1 to 4 Gt CO2 per year. But understanding ocean science doesn't remove CO2 from the air. WHOI is not investigating the engineering aspects of downwelling eddies that appear to be the key to Nature's 20 Gt CO2 removal in 1992. That kind of work is probably not in their remit. The 1992 event happened one time--but not after the other large eruptions (1963 and 1980) that also caused half-degree cooling. That uniqueness makes it not very relevant for a science institution (they have to wait for another similar eruption and take the data). But very relevant for removing CO2 at the rate needed to restore safe CO2 levels for our children.

I urge you to do the math before you publish. If you don't who will?

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