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PipandJoe's avatar

Well, all the excess got there via the behavior and consumption patterns of billions of people who also reduced the planet's ability to utilize, convert, and store it all by cutting down forests, etc.

One can infer the opposite might also true, that in order for it to simply not get worse, or to worsen more slowly, people who caused this, could stop a lot of what they have been doing. So there is still room for that debate, in my view, all the way down to burping of cows and kelp.

I think what is too often ignored is that these efforts won't remove what is already there unless we can recreate and accelerate the the planet's ability to store and convert it or devise a massive man made process.

The point is, that we do not know how much we can do in the restoring and converting part or how quickly, so it it is still useful to try to add less and reduce damage in the meantime, but the ultimate solutions will likely be in removal, like seeding the oceans with iron which you have mentioned, for one.

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Robert Tulip's avatar

Hi Quico, again a great commentary. I explore related themes in my article recently published in The Hill https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/5357702-albedo-loss-global-warming/

They called my article "Earth is absorbing too much sunlight: It’s a waking climate giant". It seems my proposed title Albedo is a Waking Climate Giant used a word totally foreign to public ears, despite being the single most important factor in climate change.

Taking a quantitative approach to policy is extremely difficult for most people. In my Hill article I mention that albedo loss causes about four times more immediate warming than carbon dioxide emissions, according to Global Warming in the Pipeline, a 2023 article by James Hansen and colleagues. This should be a game changer, given that the Pareto 80/20 ratio between warming from albedo feedback and emissions forcing is likely to worsen as clouds evaporate and ice melts.

It means nothing we do about carbon will make any difference to heat, unless there is concerted sunlight reflection driven by an Albedo Accord on the model of the Montreal Protocol.

But this is just my analysis of Hansen's argument. I have not found anyone who takes enough interest to check if this 80/20 ratio is a correct inference.

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