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Divine Ghost's avatar

I agree that the scale issue can make climate discussions focus on relatively insignificant things with higher emotional impact, But the specific conclusion you draw from it doesn't seem valid. What you describe is just tragedy of the commons. The actions of any one small polity (or person) doesn't matter, but as an aggregate they are everything.

If I catch you throwing your trash on the street and criticize you for it, is that actually "not about keeping streets clean" because one person littering is insignificant in the grand sceme of things?

The only way to get around the tragedy of the commons is to set a certain standard of behaviour, hold yourself to said standard and pressure others (carrot and stick) to adopt similar standards. Pointing fingers and demanding that others take action before you do is childish. Clean your own room first, especially when you're in one of the richest countries in the world with some of the highest emissions in the world.

In aggregate, there's probably no way of fighting climate change through encouraging action on individual/state/national level, in part because most people (hint hint) are quick to find excuses for why they shouldn't have to change anything. So I agree that focusing on technological innovation is probably a more fruitful avenue. But I disagree on why.

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PipandJoe's avatar

Well, all the excess got there via the behavior and consumption patterns of billions of people who also reduced the planet's ability to utilize, convert, and store it all by cutting down forests, etc.

One can infer the opposite might also true, that in order for it to simply not get worse, or to worsen more slowly, people who caused this, could stop a lot of what they have been doing. So there is still room for that debate, in my view, all the way down to burping of cows and kelp.

I think what is too often ignored is that these efforts won't remove what is already there unless we can recreate and accelerate the the planet's ability to store and convert it or devise a massive man made process.

The point is, that we do not know how much we can do in the restoring and converting part or how quickly, so it it is still useful to try to add less and reduce damage in the meantime, but the ultimate solutions will likely be in removal, like seeding the oceans with iron which you have mentioned, for one.

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