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This article pisses me off because it takes the one piece of good news on the climate front in the last decade — the incredible rise of cheap solar — and dismisses it. And with talking points from 2019. Technology has changed!

1. “But everything is not yet electrified” — yes, that is why the strategy IS to electrify! Heat pumps exist, BEV exist. We can take stuff that isn’t electricity and MAKE it run on electricity. Deploy deploy deploy.

2. “But some things are hard to abate” — fewer every year! We have green fertilizer, green cement, and fully electric smelting in the pipeline. There’s been a bunch of startups attacking all of these hard-to-abate sectors.

3. “The West’s carbon emissions don’t even matter anymore” — and that’s a success story!!! Rich countries have decoupled standard of living from carbon intensity. So now the goal should be “make green electricity so cheap that it’s the default option”. Which China is working on. The West can invent green tech, China can scale its production, and the whole world can reap the benefits.

4. “What about deforestation and animal rights” — yes these things are bad too. And yes, “electrify everything” does not stop deforestation, why did you think it would? But the existence of a second problem has NOTHING to do with how effective green electrification solves greenhouse gas emissions. Oh, and also there’s a bunch of people working on plant-based meat and lab-grown meat. Cheap, clean power *does* help them.

5. “What about the changing albedo” — This is in fact another problem. And it is not one that electrification solves. I don’t know what to do about it, but I DO know that advocating for more greenhouse gas emissions does not solve it.

6. “What about the carbon in the atmosphere already” — There is a large group of people working on DAC and other sequestration techniques! All that tech works a lot better when you have cheap clean power! Everyone is talking about this, all the time!

I’m not even sure what policies the author prefers, since he raises only objections, no solutions. But advocating against cheap green electricity is stupid and wrong.

Max C's avatar

Ah promoting the primary energy fallacy! Electrify and use 3-4x less energy for heating and 4-5x less for transport. This compounds with less energy needed for extracting refining and transporting hydrocarbons. Next.

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